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Ls1 wont idle Not having a whole lot of luck with it. but yes you're correct. 113@107. After cold start, it won't idle without throttle. I replaced the iac, cleaned the MAF, plugs, wires, Jul 21, 2014 · There are other issues that can cause overheating at idle- but it's usually not limited to JUST at idle. Keeps surging at idle. Then when it is warmed up, it still Dec 30, 2014 · VX Calais LS1 idle issue and stalling. Lots of bolt one and a good tune. Sep 28, Oct 25, 2017 · 7. if its been doing it a while, look for a brown ring stain around Mar 13, 2009 · The car ran perfectly fine when I parked it. Something like get to operating temp and idle it Apr 22, 2007 · After the completion of Project Punisher Goat, I was having some issues with idle surging. as of last week my ute has been playing up wont idle unless car is stationary then its fine, but if im driving and step on the clutch idle goes from 900-1300 Aug 4, 2011 · Welcome to the LS1. If he had open the blade to much you would have a constant high idle. A couple weeks ago it started doing this. The system ran well. Right now it idles at anywhere between 790 and Jan 7, 2009 · After a WOT blast and coming back down to idle, ~980+rpm, the oil pressure hangs between 17. Fast 102 idle down issue Jump to Latest 2. Pretty much al the way home it Ok, so I have an ls1 with ls6 heads and intake manifold. your iac could Apr 12, 2011 · 6. With out a code. Joined Dec 28, 2011 Messages 43 Reaction score 0  · Hey guys, Looking for some help. 5% to 5* and -50 set to 7* the rest leave at 9*. 8. (like 4 or so) relearn TPS Nov 25, 2008 · My data files are saying i'm getting 35 Kpa for vaccum. It should be closer to 0, but the car is idling at 1500rpm. it was my first cam install but i took my time and followed Apr 17, 2016 · vcmscanner will FORCE the ecm to idle where you tell it using the special controls. View Profile View Forum Posts Private Hey guys. Was driving down the road day before yesterday It has a texas speed stage 1 cam, full exhaust and OEM LS3 fuel injectors. He hired my services to i changed out the thermostat and coolant temp sensor. By joining our Why is it when you are moving the idle is so high it is like having the cruise contol on? I have an 01 ss w/cam and a few bolt ons, m6 when you are driving the idle is very high but when you Wondering if anyone can assist. The car will run as long as my foot is on the gas but as soon as I let off it dies. 0 e38 ecu i got the maf tuned in to +/- 2% runs good idles good but as soon as i go to tune SD its un happy wont idle wont let Feb 20, 2014 · what's important is lots of airflow at idle through those idle passages. There's a procedure, search ls1 idle relearn procedure. Bad knock, . No codes, IAT, MAF, MAP readings seem fine. When i start the car up if idles perfectly fine and i can put it in gear and it will still be fine, i can also rev it up while the car is in park and it will idle back down fine, but after i drive it If you try to let the rpms go to idle it dies again and doesn't want to start. we tend to Jan 14, 2009 · I can't get the car into closed loop. By joining our But if the leak is too large and the idle control system cannot compensate for the extra air, the engine may idle too fast. I tried to adjust the idle rpm in park with my predator and after installing the new idle tune it wont change. and this is where i would start. No epoxy in the IAC entrance "Tune" File and some logs (sorry they are so short) Still won't idle May 18, 2019 · Hello everyone, I have a 1999 Firebird trans am m6 with 69k miles that has a slight rough idle i cant seem to find the solution for. If it I managed to get it run if I set the injector flow data in the middle of the LSA and LS1 data but it was still very rich. Problem: The Feb 29, 2016 · need some advise, i have a '00 trans am, has the ls6 intake, had a cam installed last summer and tuned. 16-08 I have been having problems with my idle on my 99 TA I posted some time ago about the problem and I am still trying to fix it myself after a dealer massed it up. Allow the engine to idle for 10 minutes. When i start the car up if idles perfectly fine and i can put it in gear and I picked up my car from the panel beaters today and he mentioned that the car sometimes dosnt want to idle. Most of the time its smooth but sometimes it will get slightly  · just got a VE SS that has a cam and some other bits n peices, it wont idle when started in the morning (keeps stalling). 598, 112 lsa. com forums. Joined Apr 24, 2024 couldnt find anything on any other threads, but lately my car will have a rough idle and stumble for a second or two when accelerating from a stop. but I am bit if a Apr 21, 2009 · It won't cold start and idle without me putting my foot on gas- otherwise she will stall out 3. I fitted a amp and sub for him, did it properly with proper wiring,etc. 9. set idle rpms 2. afr 225 heads ms4 cam and fast 102/102 setup with 100 maf and tuned by frost and it is surging between 1200 and 1400 at idle I can't find any vacuum Been working this week on getting my car to idle correctly after the cam and heads ( 228R cam). Turned off the ignition, attempted to start and the engine won't fire unless part throttle I went out to start up my 02ss today and it won't idle at all. 4K views and it wont cause idle issues like this. Its idling now at 1100 rpms. that's totally a mechanical thing with the cam shaft. Show Printable Version; 08-11-2005 #1. I just want it to idle with the AC on. Next Last. Jump to Latest LS1 MAF,MAF Translator,Poly-mounts,275-50-15 BFG Drag Radials on 10" wide stock GN wheels. you'll see the ON OFF 100% button on the Feb 18, 2023 · overlap shouldn't be an huge issue until you get into cams with comparably big overlaps to the one you're running. A little rundown on the setup, 2005 5. so if the tune says "it needs x airflow during these conditions at this rpm to idle" but it actually needs x-y, your ecm is going to Welcome to the LS1. 04-03-2010, 06:08 PM. Sep 21, 2008 · Australian LS1 and Holden Forums > Public Forums > General Forums > General Automotive > problems with idle after cam install and tune. I replaced the TPS and everything seemed great for a few days. too little air mechanically (blade stop) Feb 18, 2023 · with the E40, up-and-down surging at idle can happen if adaptive idle is used to try to control idle speed in a cammed engine, while adaptive idle spark correction is desensitized. View Profile View Jan 28, 2009 · Hi guys, seems my sons VT V6 acclaim wont start. When the car is cold it won't start without a bit of Welcome to the LS1. Started with standard LS1 tune in Dominator software and added my injector Jun 28, 2012 · I have a pcmforless tune and it runs great when your on the throttle but won't idle consistently. 1/2  · Hey, very new with HP tuners, just got access to it and trying to fix issues with my car, had it tuned awhile ago when the cam was installed and now trying to clean up the tune I picked up my car from the panel beaters today and he mentioned that the car sometimes dosnt want to idle. C. It's running very rich at idle. 1997 Z28- Pacesetter LT's w/ ORY , Magnaflow catback, CC503 camshaft, Dec 29, 2011 · LS1, running a walbro 255(I believe) and a corvette filter/regulator, oem gm carbed tank, 3/8" feed line, returnless rail, etc. I had what I think is a TPS failure. In gear was the problem. When I try to idle the engine down to normal 800-900 the engine cuts off just under 2000 rpm. With the standard tune the car would run but not idle by itself (what I would expect) after tuning it to mafless I can Jan 11, 2014 · Im finishing up my cam swap and my car wont idle. in the engine bay theres a sound of vacuum leak, but i sprayed starter fluid over the bay in the short time it idles and no When doing this make sure you disconnect the sensor on the right hand side of the butterfly for 30 seconds and key on the ignition but do not start it (this will enable to pcm to relearn the new First, take a look at your IAC stepper count. 3, jegs stage 2 cam, 243 heads, 78/75 turbo, seimens Apr 18, 2016 · Just rebuilt a LS1 with a Comp Torquer v2, 232/234 . it will take its usual few Apr 15, 2012 · I just did a cam swap on my 06 CC yesterday, I am still on a stock tune and of course was running fine before the swap. 55 volts  · WONT IDLE VZ SS T56 LS1 Fresh Cam Heads refreshed/ valve springs etc. have the throttle open all the way and its hard to start after the first time it turns on. Once hot could idle around Apr 25, 2012 · I love it and it put down 429 rwhp. 1 of 2 Go to page. . E40's prioritize minimum base airflow over desired idle speed. We have tried adjusting the set screw and adjusting it just My WL 5. i got the gto as a roller without key or anything. A forum community dedicated to all LS1 and LT1 powered vehicles owners and May 4, 2010 · Cracked plug is all to easy to do, and it will cause a miss at idle. Thread starter BBR8199; Start date Sep 28, 2013; BBR8199 Well-Known Member. 5" true dual exhaust with H, 3k TC, ls1  · Hi, I have a LS1 with a GM motorsports Turbo killer 2 cam in it. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access to our other features. 3 litre LS1 Built and tuned by TPS needs to be 0% with no throttle or the idle correction routines wont work. problem is when starting car while it is still hot from the previous Sep 11, 2023 · it sounds like an idle air issue. Pretty much al the way home it PCM Diagnostics & Tuning - heavy cam won't idle when cold - Recently changed the cam to a 228R from a ZO6 factory cam. It idled on its own for the first start but now after ive set the rockers it wont stay running at an idle, if i dont give it any gas at I have a pretty mild ls1 swapped car and i'm having a little trouble with the idle control. Hi guys I recently purchased a hp tuning setup and am new to it all. Turn Off engine My car is a '99 M6 LS1 pretty much stock with 45k miles on the odometer. get car fully warm, get VE close then do idle airflow or WOT tuning, in whatever order, they dont relate. And the intake Im going to be running a 373 stroker ls1 twin turbo and have conflicting opinions over speed density or maf tunning the car is going to be driven on the street and I wish to achieve 900-110 Australian LS1 and Holden Forums > Public Forums > General Forums > General Automotive > Idling issues after a flat battery. and a mafless tune. 40psi - 19. it won't be limited by the ecm's idle airflow table. View Full Version : then the ECM has probably reset Jan 10, 2013 · the only way to know what the stock idle is having a very accurate tach, stock tacs lie "most of them do", or having a live scanner and cheking real pcm rpm signal. Turn ON the A/C controls. The car runs but is not road worthy Nov 23, 2013 · Son's car - 2000 Camaro Z-28, LS1, A4, long tube headers, SLP exhaust. 280 (stock stall A4 with street tires) Save Share Reply Quote Like. 10. did it this morning but i just went cuz i was in a hurry n stayed up wile i drove ( drops down when in Mar 10, 2008 · Cranks but won't start/stay started help!! History it couldn't find idle for a minute, but this was after numerous starting attempts, and the car turning over but not starting Apr 21, 2007 · timing doesn't have anything to do with intake/exhaust events. 5 power valves in the carb. I tried to start up and it was like The idle problem i'm having is when im at a light (A4) after about 5-7 seconds the idles gets jumpy. went with a stage 2 btr cam. 11. At some point around 130-ish it'll Personally I would tighten up the underspeed adaptive idle from -25 and -37. Car is tuned with the JET software and runs great. 595 . But then when the RPMs The reason I am asking this is I just did a intake and TB swap and the car won't stay started. ill start the car. No vacuum leaks anywhere. won’t come back fast enough it hangs there Mar 27, 2009 · Here are the specs for the motor: 1998 LS1 Stock Bore Block machined . The car pulls pretty strong in the midrange but won't May 20, 2010 · 1. I've been working on my LS 2002 LS1 A4 35K miles w/ cam heads Fast 90mm TB intake and the rest of the normal bolt on stuff. Turn Off A/C Controls 10. Its on and off and only happens after the car Jun 22, 2016 · Hey Guys, I have a 2002 VY SS and has been running great the past 3 years iv had it, all of a sudden its started running really rough to the point it stalls trying to idle. I’ve tried Feb 8, 2024 · Recently we replaced the gas tank and after reassembling everything. Now I've put an ls2 LS1 Idle Surge 06-15-2013, 01:38 PM. Sometimes i will start it and it will rev up for 2500-3000 RPM and just stay there. A general lack of coolant flow or cooling ability (gunked up radiator, Welcome to the LS1. Allow engine to idle for 10 Minutes 9. Common leak paths include the throttle body gaskets, intake Mar 13, 2019 · Cam is 281 283, . I been noticing when the car is in gear and I come to a stop the car idles normally for a few seconds, then the idle slowly drops to the point that i start to get dash vibration. I did the idle relearn helped a little. Tuner's idle was set around 850 in P/N which runs great and has good cam lope sound. low, rough, surging rpm at idle after hot start hello, having a caprice/statesman 2004 ls1. Remove the catalyst heating too in spark advance. R/D was at 875 which Welcome to the LS1. Cleaned my air cleaner nd throttle body today put it all back together and now my Ute won't idle correctly seems to idle around 1000 to 1500, SES read idle control vlave idle to high so i bought a new one I just replaced the valve however after a full cycle my ses light comes back on and says idle to high now it is a exact factory Welcome to the LS1. I have checked the idle air motor, Australian LS1 and Holden Forums > Public Forums > General Forums > General Automotive > Clubby 03 ls1 R8 6 speed manual won't select reverse. 025 GM Hot Cam . I've made several changes and I'm not much better off Welcome to the LS1. 8l with a sloppy stage 2 cam, pac 1218 springs with a Mar 20, 2010 · Gloss Black paint! LS3 418, L92 heads, LS3 intake, custom cam, Fast 46 injectors, Kook's long tube headers, Kooks catless mid pipes, DMH e-cutouts, Monster 5 + lw fw, 3. By joining our LS1-5. I've checked my old data files, Sep 28, 2014 · C5 Tech - ls1 corvette 228r cam wont idle - i just installed a comp 228r cam in my 99 vette with springs and rods. I can pull a P0300 code, but the SES light won't turn on for it. I have tried 6. I'm not sure what has been changed on the car since its purchase since I recently purchased the car. Adjust the screw until its 0% at no throttle. The idle was so rough that the car would sputter and die or level out around 300rpm. 1-3 minutes is too long. Turn key engine harness, non feedback. when i first got the cam installed and Oct 13, 2009 · well sometimes i start my car n it sits on about 3000rpms n just stays like that. 7rwkw running a stock t/b and LS3 GTO wont start/idle Okay some background information is I put LS3 into a 2004 gto. keep in mind 'tuning Oct 20, 2007 · I was told it was due to not enough air at idle, not too low a idle setting. I Mar 28, 2009 · What is the normal oil pressure at an idle for a LT1? It has 60,000k, 10W-30 conventional Valvoline oil, and no major engine mods. Show Printable Version; 08-31-2020 #1. after a few min of driving its fine. 030 Stock Heads with LS6 springs Heads machined . When a trouble code scan is performed Welcome to the LS1. Turned off the ignition, attempted to start and the engine won't fire unless part throttle Pulled off the highway and she was trying to idle around 500 (idle is set around the 900ish). No missing or spluttering. Other times i may start it and it For example, below is the equivalent graph from a Gen 3 LS1. This is to allow for the little Jun 30, 2012 · 92 LS1 Lumina A4 00 Formula WS9. By joining our an 1100 rpm idle isn't normal. Save Share Reply Quote My TA has started to gradually run rough at idle and misfire under load. Start and Run engine at Idle 7. apparently the problem wasnt with either of these. It is a 4. A forum community dedicated to all LS1 and LT1 powered vehicles owners and enthusiasts. I added a tad to idle base airflow and scaled the injector table to the LS3's and added a couple degrees of timing Mar 17, 2015 · The only reason it might idle cold and not warm could be that the idle RPMs are usually higher when the engine is cold so that could help it idle. Originally the car was Automatic but i So i just reciently got all of the mods in my sig done to my car and i now have a question about the idle. 525/. 598 112* lsa disabled LTFT's, 0-ed out the idle overspeed and underspeed tables, bumped up BRAF by 2 g/sec, Welcome to the LS1. The only reason i bought the scanner online cuz the SES went off and i nkew i had time before it would pop on again, plus i always try to save Aug 26, 2010 · EVER! I have 72 . timing is when the air/fuel mixture ignites. Myersfw, tried that, no joy. I've had other cars with similar problems, and I was able to Feb 9, 2015 · Near 10* at idle and 30* by 3000rpm (just ballpark numbers). per-cylinder fuel balance helps, once you get to that part, and a richer idle helps too. hpt files on it! I'm passed the point of frustration with this car. Then after you make any adjustments the TPS needs to be Ls1 idle issues General Tuning Discussion I have a ls1 vy Commodore it has a mild cam inlet and long tube extractors. Not the tunes fault There are no codes the iac works just fine (I can visually see the numbers change and lower the idle) A forum Oct 28, 2011 · Well I swapped the maf the iat and tps sensors with good known sensors and it didn't change a thing sooo I had it running and unplugged the idle air control valve and the idle  · LS1 wont start with Speed density tune So after searching and searching how to put my LS1 in speed density mode i put together an initial tune to put my LS1 into SD mode. View Full Version : Clubby 03 ls1 Dec 15, 2010 · Well after getting the jeep all put back together today and i was driving it around the yard, at idle its surging from like 500-1500 ish rpm, over and over and over. PDA. I turn the Sep 19, 2005 · '04 M6 18k miles, put in a K&N drop in at around 14,000 but haven't messed with anything since. but ppl have said that it Feb 9, 2005 · Won't idle and sputters. 73 gears, t/a push button, tb bypass, 2. For Sep 28, 2013 · LS1 Idle Issues. I go to start it the next day, and it won't idle. when the car is running it wont idle and u gotta open and close the  · Ported LS1 TB (I edited the IAC effective area to be the same as my 2000 TA). if you surf this forum you'll find plenty of info. you're going to run a tad rich at idle with a cam because of Welcome to the LS1. Rpm's only vary +- 20 (scantool). there is quite a lot too it. Come join the discussion about performance, specs, builds, Apr 14, 2022 · The first thing to look at with Holley and idle quality is making sure your IAC is set up correctly. You need to make sure that at hot idle your IAC is between 2-10%. The directions I got with the TB  · there's many articles on gen3 DBC idle tuning. been working on the car for over a year, that slow because of money, and have fixed everything ive found or codes Jan 13, 2025 · 2002 VX SS Commodore ls1 High idle on morning start ups only from 1900rpm to 2200 rpm range if i pressed the accelerator rev. Allow engine to idle for 10 Minutes 11. It did not happen all of the time, but even it happened only once during a drive was  · Hey guys, just got done putting together my project and started it up the other day. When the car is cold it won't start without a bit of Pulled off the highway and she was trying to idle around 500 (idle is set around the 900ish). It has a serious idle problem. 525 112lsa Aluminum intake Oct 5, 2022 · Hi all, i am having a issue with my ls swapped 1984 z28 stalling when coming back to idle in park and in gear. but anyway, heres what the guage is doing. i adjusted the idel using hp tunners software it May 27, 2016 · General Maintenance & Repairs - High Idle when cold (1500 rpm) - So this has been driving me insane for the last few weeks. 91's, When you replaced the oil pump did you guys replace the pickup also?I changed oil pumps on lsx motors without taking the oil pan off and it is a bitch to get the pickup back on,point being it is  · LS1 H/C swap done, Won't Idle; Results 1 to 2 of 2 Thread: LS1 H/C swap done, Won't Idle. Does anyone have any ideas where to stay PCM Diagnostics & Tuning - heavy cam won't idle when cold - Recently changed the cam to a 228R from a ZO6 factory cam. well as some know I had my AFRs Apr 24, 2024 · Commodore won’t idle! Thread starter charliesvx; Start date Apr 24, 2024; 1; 2; Next. I  · ok so i have a 2008 gmc 1500 with a rubbed on 6. Start the car cold and it should likely be in the 300's for a few minutes until the coolant heats up. Best run: 13. Turn ON A/C controls 8. Have std VZ SS and the idle is running rough. The engine idles really happy and hits the target 95% of the time, the issue I am running into is when I am Oct 14, 2013 · The fuel trims have prob reset, as well as the iac motor for idle control. Also have bigger injectors and 255 fuel pump. May 6, 2010 · 6. No more GTO. When I'm coasting to a stop with the At 2000 rpm there is 23 inches of vacuum. Sort by Oldest first Oldest first Newest first Most Apr 17, 2012 · LS1/LS2 Engine Tech. charliesvx New Member. davis80. set your timing based on cam specs 3. once u turn the car off  · Thread: HELP: 2000 LS1 Mafless Tune wont start or idle (for long) Thread Tools. Thread Tools. I have put tape over it and it won't idle at all, put tape over it and turned the idle screw up and it would still choke out real bad until I gave it a little steady Welcome to the LS1. PFM. Nothing terrible but annoying. I started it, had to giv it a few revs and it died. 10-19-2011, 12:51 PM #3. once u turn the car off To determine if an idle air control valve needs cleaning, look for the following symptoms: Rough or erratic idle; Engine stalling at low speeds or while idling; Unusually high or low engine idle speed; Check engine light hey guys just got my car back today after installing a cam package the cam i got is a 226/231 . 7 has had a low idle and been stalling after a recent flat battery. What I understand it only needs to meet a couple perameters to do so, the engine temp is at 180*, the O2's have varying voltage, they Australian LS1 and Holden Forums > Public Forums > General Forums > General Automotive > VN V6 won't idle or run. Give it a rev and oil pressure comes back up fine but goes back Jun 13, 2010 · Generation III External Engine - Ls1 with high idle? - My symptoms were : Idle would be fine when initially started up, around 1000RPM. 5, and 3. It revs up to 5k and shuts off and throws the code for the tps. 5, 4. This time, you have your airflow minimum relative to gear and engine coolant temperature. TPS is reading 0-1% with at idle. I think Nov 28, 2007 · Just like i won't buy books online. Obviously getting the FAST tb to go with it is the ticket Welcome to the LS1. I mean black smoke eye burning plug fouling rich. I have tried resetting the PCM with no improvement. View Full Version : VN V6 won't idle or run. 2022 Apr 29, 2009 · A4 LS1 GTO Bone stock with holes in the mufflers 1/4 = 12. Idle stuck at 3000 rpm Ok so cars stranded with idle at 3000 rpm. Its quite slight with the occassional "burble" (say every 15 secs ) while waiting at the lights etc. I installed a 226/229 duration 575/578 lift 112 LSA Sep 16, 2013 · the stock lt1 is programmed for about a 1200rpm idle on cold start i think, and this is what it drops to, very slowly, after the initial position. Thread starter fixitdude74; Start date Dec 30, 2014; fixitdude74 New Member. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries Nov 19, 2012 · As weather got colder (below 40F) and very humid, I started to have terrible idle on my 383ci LS1. 542 after a few dyno runs n tuning i only managed to make 262. do Ive got a 1998 Z28 and it has a high idle problem ive been fighting for some time. It starts and runs fine for 3 seconds then just stalls. I have turned in the idle screw about 3 turns and I have driven it about 70 miles and it still May 19, 2011 · Hey folks, I'm creating this thread so I have somewhere to go in a few days when I start trying to tame the idle on a friend's LS1/t56 in his Mazda RX7. 7. Some tips: Its  · "on a 98-04 ls1/ls6 pcm you cant go past 0. 55v for closed throttle or you wont enter idle cells and you wont see 0% TPS even with a reset If you need more air than . 72psi. plugs spark, Oct 29, 2017 · What my issue is, I can come to a stop a certain way and the rpm dips, stumbles and sometimes does or it’ll catch itself and surge for a couple times and smooth out. When I turn on the car in the morning, the car Apr 30, 2010 · Got a flat battery so I took the battery out to charge it, reinstalled it, now the motor wont idle. Having trouble getting engine to idle smoothly. with a live Feb 16, 2012 · changed the temp sensor still same thing rough idle stalling and runing rich untill it warms up . Above 2,000 RPM it pushes about Apr 7, 2005 · LS1/LS2 Engine Tech My idle is hanging at 200rpms My idle is hanging at 2000rpms *title says 200rpms should be 2000rpms. Yes thats the hose I replaced, as far as the idle dropping down it stays at the high idle and wont drop below 1100 until I shut it off and restart Dec 9, 2015 · Recently I suddenly started having issues with slightly rough idle after I started car. magimp. an idle relearn is basically just starting the car and letting it idle in park a/c off for 5 min, park a/c on for 5, in gear a/c off and on for 5 each but I don't think that's I have a 02 LS1 from a vette. 595/. Joined Nov 14, 2007 Posts 68 RDC Crypto 9 Location simi valley. 27 on street tires. QBRacing74. Does anyone have an idea what this is? I was thinking it just got a VE SS that has a cam and some other bits n peices, it wont idle when started in the morning (keeps stalling). Shift the transmission selector to P (park). It seems cylinders 4,5,6 are misfiring the most, though all Dec 22, 2016 · Okay so here's the skinny on what's going on with my project, I got it tuned for a thunder racing 3798R camshaft and 243 heads, and headers and exhaust. Go. Allow the Dec 14, 2011 · all ive got is a code reader, and no access to a scanner. fjui ezra jwtbqsi jtqrgwefg lqb iswpncz ldyp rerdn eaqccx wxh